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Tom Retterbush wrote on Mar 17, 2009 12:13 PM:

" I am new to archery and have a basic, simple question that I'm finding hard to get a simple answer too:

What is the difference between a right and a left handed bow? Do you hold the bow with the hand (example: hold the bow in right hand with a right handed bow?)? Or do you pull the string with said hand?

Somebody please tell me the most basic of archery facts!!!

Please send answer to tomretterbush@yahoo.com "

abbie normal wrote on Jan 15, 2009 12:50 AM:

" All this talk about "God be blessed" and "Predators gotta be killed before they can kill".... Well, here's my take -- and I'm NOT a "godless liberal tree-hugger", either:

First, good job, Mr. Leming. Not everyone can stay as cool as that when it really matters.

"God" wasn't there to save anyone's life -- or the bear wouldn't have attacked to begin with. THINK about it.

Killing bears and wolves, just because they are a "problem" is a lot like killing "Americans", just because "Americans" are a "problem" (yes, a reference to "9/11"). How about "stray" cats and dogs? I say kill 'em all, whether they have a collar/tag or not (if the are not tied up, they are "dangerous strays"). You don't want bears/wolves to kill your livestock -- make it extremely difficult for the bears/wolves to get at your livestock! You don't want bears/wolves to come down to "civilization" -- then don't give 'em a REASON to come down out of the mountains!

Don't go blaming the animals for making their own survival as easy as they can make it. "

Derek wrote on Dec 30, 2008 1:50 PM:

" I am a member of PETA.

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

All of you ignorant animal rights activist are idiots. Hunting is a part of this world and has been since the beginning of time. So why do you think you can fight to stop it now? "

Janice Peoples wrote on Dec 30, 2008 12:58 PM:

" Hey Ron Jr, & Sr.

So glad you both are OK. What a ordeal
you had to go through, chills up my spine. Don't care what a lot of comments say about killing bears or anything else, you made the right decision. Saving your child was all that counted.
So glad it didn't chew off Ron Sr. arm. Now he can write me and no excuses
this time.

CUZ: "

Trent Tlmntez wrote on Dec 5, 2008 9:48 PM:

" I skimmed throughe the comments below and was horrified by some of the remarks that were made by the animal rights idiots. If you think hunting is cruel take a closer look at how your chicken, turkey, ham, or steak was brought to the table. Take off your leather shoes, and your belt, wallet, sadle, gloves...let he that is perfect cast the first stone. Nothing but a bunch of hipocrits! To Mr. lemming, I would like to say, you are the man! I pray to God that I will never see any of my children in a predicament like you have, but if I do I can only hope my aim will be as true as yours was. You truly are an inspiration for those intelligent enoughe to understand it. "

pierce wrote on Dec 2, 2008 1:39 PM:

" I don't like to hunt, but have respect for people that do. In fact, if you think about it, hunting is often a lot more humane than keeping animals in inhumane conditions and then slaughtering them in, sometimes, horrific fashion. I feel bad for the bear and would feel bad for the bull elk had they shot it. Life is a bit cruel. The bear was just being a bear and the father son hunters were just being people. It's impossible to say what would have happened if the son didn't run. Maybe, by running he gave his father more time to do what he had to do. I can only imagine the horror the father must have felt in that situation. The bear was just being a bear but the father, doing what he did in that situation was a hero! "

tyler hamilton wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:22 PM:

" Hey way to go Ron & Ronnie...Glad you are safe and, man, what a shot!
love you guys!
T-man "

John from NY wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:03 PM:

" Great story-as a father I know I would do anything to save my child if they were in danger. Hats off to the bravery of the father. I attribute it to his own strength and not to God. It may help him to have faith, but faith or not, he did what he had to do because he loves his child. Its interesting to see the divide that show that some people think having faith and being from the coasts are mutually exclusive. I love how people, in defending their right to an opinion, either quote the bible, or tell an entire group to "shove it". Just as the people of the Middle States cry foul when being lumped together as "bible-thumping inbred morons", they rush to denigrate people from New York and California. They forget that both places have wilderness areas that are used for hunting, but choose to believe that both places are merely cities. I am from New york, but I could stick a 7mm Magnum bullet in your forehead from 400 yards. People from Middle America seem to be more rigid in their convictions and less likely to let an "outsider" have a point of view. "

dave wrote on Oct 27, 2008 2:39 PM:

" This is a great story and not to be meant for all the political grand standing. I am from Ny, I grew up elswhere and did hunt/ still do when time allows..not for some primevil blood lust but because we eat venison or elk. Why is all hunting considered sport by people who live in concrete jungles who have never truly faced a bear or a wolf or a mountain lion. I agree these animals have the right to be here but as long as people keep leaving the city for suburbia you are going to pressure these animals more.If you don't like to hunt, then don't, just eat your veal(that's humane) and let the hunting up to those people who will. And for God's sake, (justhinkingaboutit) realize the view(your view) is easy from the cheap seats. I don't hunt predators, it's a personal view with me because we have so few here at this time but I cast no judgement on our western neighbors who are faced with it everyday. Great these guys walked out alive and in one piece. Playing dead has only worked part of the time. Research it. "

Roy wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:56 PM:

" I feel for the hunters for i had a close call my self this year. Good shooting to the father you made the rite one count!! Roy, Seeley Lake MT "

john wrote on Oct 19, 2008 12:54 PM:

" great story lucky guy.hope he bought his dad a beer when they got back home. "

R�nnie F�rsterbrak wrote on Oct 17, 2008 2:05 AM:

" In Holland (the capital of Denmark FYI) we have no bears, but we have guys who dress up and meet in the forest with their guns out. "

Scrap5000 wrote on Oct 15, 2008 8:25 PM:

" I live in NYC and am ashamed by my fellow ny'ers who know NOTHING about nature & hunting.

It's sad the state this country is in, where everyone thinks life & nature are a disney movie.

Learn to hunt, understand true respect for nature by being part of it, and get a clue, you yuppie morons!! God, I hate being on the subway with you idiots. "

David wrote on Oct 15, 2008 3:59 PM:

" Are you kidding me??? All of the people who are in favor of the bear are morons, I can't believe you are actually writing the things you have. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Reading a lot of these comments I am digusted and can't imagine how you people can look in the mirror and like what you see. There is no way that God would ever choose an animals life over a humans. I am an avid hunter and will always be. Thank God that Mr. Leming was there, because if he hadn't this article would have been really sad. "

Hunterbythegraceofgod wrote on Oct 15, 2008 2:36 PM:

" Mr. D Brown,
If you would acutally take time to READ the bible, you would know that he has given us dominion over the animals that walk this earth.
Genesis 27:3 says " Now then, get your weapons—your quiver and bow—and go out to the open country to hunt some wild game for me."
Do your research before posting, and dont use the Bible to argue for PETA. If we stop hunting animals will suffer due to overpopulation by both animals and humans, lack of food, and the spread of disease, not to mention all of the ones that will be killed in car accidents with wild game. "

The Hermit wrote on Oct 11, 2008 9:28 AM:

" Hunters have blood on their hands and hopefully organic meat in their freezers, this is true. Anyone that doesn't hunt and is opposed to hunting yet still eats meat and wears leather, has blood on their money and are pathetic hypocrites! God hates hypocrites! "

American wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:04 AM:

" To haveaheart:
I have often wondered if elitist minds (such as yours)who live on the east or west coasts of this great country ever wondered if there was anything in between them (the coasts, not your ears). There is a place called America, and it is obviously larger than your elitist little mind can imagine, let alone comprehend. Now, let's talk about shallow. "

stickflicker wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:07 PM:

" To all those that are so anti-hunting, I ask you if you live in a house? If you answer yes then you have killed and displaced more animals than a single hunter will ever kill. By the way, you do know that the coach purse and prada shoes are made of leather, don't you? or are you all ignorant to that as well.
Finally, if it weren't for hunters you wouldn't have all of the outdoor freedoms that you now have it is use that put over 200 MILLION dollars into wildlife and habitat last year while you were out holding a picket sign protesting logging, with a sign made of PAPER and the handle made of WOOD!! "

Buck wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:54 AM:

" My people, the Pikuni Peigan, have a long history with Grizzly bears. We respect them as equals, but will fight -- to the last breath -- and kill if attacked. Is that so hard for metro-centric bigots to understand? "

Thorn11acr wrote on Oct 10, 2008 6:49 AM:

" These so called Christians who quote "thou shalt not kill" show their ignorance and lack of scripture undestanding.

If you go back to the ancient Hebrew the actual phase was "You will not shed innocent blood".

Taken one step further GOD says we are all born into sin. Therefore the only true "innocent blood"... is the unborn.

Yet these "Christians" gleefuly slaughter the unborn, while protesting the killing of animals for protection or food.

When did American become so stupid ?

TOM "

knucklehead wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:47 PM:

" Hey Dana in NYC. Get your facts straight. A majority of the money generated by the state comes from minerals within the state, so Wyoming tends to pay its own way. We don't have our hands out. Yes much of the mineral income is off of federal lands, but the way the laws are written, that goes to the state of origin. That is not a handout or subsidy, just the way the west was done. "

lookingforthetruth wrote on Oct 9, 2008 3:40 PM:

" My comments, or rather questions, are in response to a comment made by Cayce Mell.

My first question is...Why would the use of weapons classify humans as unatural predators?

My second question is...Why did you call the two hunters murderers?

And my final question has two parts...Why was it a tragedy that the two hunters walked away and the bear did not? Would you rather have read an ariticle about two hunters being mauled and eaten?

looking forward to your answers.
thanks "

knevil wrote on Oct 9, 2008 2:56 PM:

" where is peta when a new yorker kills a ratmyk4m "

Bill B. wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:46 PM:

" Based uopon a lifetime of outdoor experience, I believe it is high time the tax paying public start paying attention to the practice of re-locating these trouble bears to areas where conflict with humans is only a matter of time. Whenever a bear is handled by humans, they translate that into a bad experience and develope a hatred for the site and smell of humans. Any such bear released into areas of frequent human activity is a ticking time bomb. The teen age boy attacked and killed in the Provo, Utah area last year by a black bear is another prime example. These trouble bears need to be disposed of period. I thought we were supposed to be able to enjoy the public land we pay the government to maintain for us. How many of us are having second thoughts about taking our families camping, fishing or hiking in the woods with these man-killers on the loose? This Grizzly was apparently unprovoked by these bow hunters. This bear was not protecting himself, he was in the mood to kill some people. A liberal extreme influence in game management is ruining our country. "

Adam wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:45 PM:

" PETA sucks the big one... "

D. Brown wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:36 PM:

" This is just my belief, as we all have our own. I grew up in the church- (when religion meant more then than it seems to do today). One of the main commandments we learned were "Thou shalt not kill." The Lord God has made every living thing for us to enjoy from trees, plants, flowers, animals of all types, your mother, father, sister and brother. Unfortunately over the years, man has taken life into his own hands to do what he wants and not what's in accordance to the correct way of life. Countless animals have been maimed, killed, tortured, used for bloodlust, species nearly wiped out and then we have nerve to wonder why our children won't have the beauty we were originally blessed with. Don't forget the majestic Bull elephants in Africa, which are no longer around. Orangutans nearly extinct due to poaching. For he 21st Century, that's a damn shame. We will all account for the wrongs we have done. Remember, animals are God's children just like you. Maybe the young man and his father might stop hunting after this experience. "

Mike wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:21 PM:

" Kelly48, please tell me you're not serious. Your animal overpopulation notion is far-fetched at best--we're losing species every day from deforestation and other environmental impacts caused by humans. You give hunters waaaaay too much credit for doing something that, in today's world, is completely unnecessary. It's like what someone said before, about hunting being for sport, not because they're hungry.

Like I alluded to before, a well-placed arrow shot is not divine intervention. Besides, God's got a lot more to deal with than two hunters in the wilds of Wyoming.

I don't blame the guy for using whatever means necessary to save his son, though. I would have done the exact same thing. "

joe wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:07 PM:

" God said to kill and eat, in Acts of the apostles. Throughout the bible God condoned the killing of animals for food and sacrifice. Animals were made for man, not man for animals. "

Dana in NYC wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:39 AM:

" I'm a pro-government, pro-keep your religion to yourself, anti-anti New York/California yahoos, liberal thinking, educated city girl. Just look at the Federal Balance of Payments and you'll find that NY/CA tax dollars keep states like Wyoming solvent. So don't disrespect us as long as you have your hand out please. It's rude and ungrateful. This isn't a city versus country incident. PETA does some good work but like all "issue" oragnizations can go too far sometimes. Kind of like the NRA. That said I have great respect for bowhunters, they are the true sportsman of the hunting world. These men had every right to be in the woods hunting and every right to protect themselves from an attacking grizzly. Great shot Mr. Leming! Glad you're both safe and hope you get an elk next time. "

TOMMY wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:19 AM:

" TWO THUMBS UP TO MR. LEMING FOR SAVING HIS SON....I LOVE TO HUNT AS WELL AND I HOPE ONE DAY THAT I NEVER HAVE TO BE PUT IN THAT SPOT. "

Kelly48 wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:09 AM:

" Thank God that both of these men are alive. God truly does answer prayers. It is an unfortunate circumstance, however, if it weren't for HUNTERS, our world would be overpopulated with animals, and these attacks would happen much more often. Hunters aren't on a killing spree mission, they are harvesting an animal for food. Sure, you can purchase meat at a grocery store, but those animals were killed as well. My point is, I would rather see a humane, well placed shot take an animal than see it dead on the side of the road after being hit by a car...meat wasted. In this situation, it sounds like this arrow was well placed, but does it really matter when a human life (your own child's life) is in jeopardy? Luckily, it was a successful shot and that is all that matters. "

Marie wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:05 AM:

" What a great story and thank God the dad's aim was perfect. If you are a serious hunter as demonstrated by the father, of course, you'd take a stand against an attack on your son. He was well prepared. I also enjoyed the other posts about hunting. "

Mike wrote on Oct 9, 2008 11:00 AM:

" Well, it's good that his father prayed to god to guide his arrow, otherwise, who knows what might have happened, haha. I bet Dick Cheney prayed to god, too, but his call went unanswered! :)

I tend to forget about religious fanaticism in the US until I read an article like this. Glad they're OK, but I'll bet it had nothing to do with divine intervention. "

Mike wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:56 AM:

" To the prson who wrote that wolves have nevr atacked humans in North America.

Try this website

http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html "

jlmintune wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:46 AM:

" God is the final judge and he saw fit to end it the way he believe it should end...he directed the arrow and now a son and his father live to enjoy more time together, and a son gets more presious time with his wife and kids!!! "

Lawtrainer wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:44 AM:

" I haven't hunted since moving from W. Virginia (and I was young)1960. We hunted for food not sport. The same people who say use pepper spray for bears are the ones selling it for human and dog repellant & it works 50% of the time. 50% doesn't sound too good with a Grizzly.
The Grizzly scat joke is an oldie, but goodie. I also don't know how wolves got mixed up in this, can't recall any issues with the animal vs. humans. I'm glad they two are OK and thank goodness for Dad. "

Bruce wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:41 AM:

" Having grown up in New Hampshire, can't
say I've had alot of experience with
Grizzlys or even black bears for that matter. As far as "Wild" animals go
I have seen cyotes an occasional Moose and lot's of Deer. And I'd have to tell
ya, if it came to me and mine or the wild animal, the "Wild" animals going to lose if I can help it! These fella's
definately were blessed that day! "

Cayce Mell wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:29 AM:

" It is a terrible tragedy, we are not rightful predators and could not successfully hunt without the use of artificial means (weapons) these bears really struggle to survive in what few places in the world we have left undisturbed by man and two hunters go in not out of hunger but for sport and then when the bear defends himself murder him?! These people should not be applauded it is the bear who should have lived to tell the story. "

george wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:25 AM:

" people please dont blame all new yorkers i live in new york about 50 miles out side of the city.i hunt and fish i do beleive thay did the right thing..human life is more important than any animals. i have people here who think of deer as beter than humans but those same people come to me to shoot the deer on there property when thay eat there schrubs and plants . when it hits them in there pocketbooks "

Ralph wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:05 AM:

" UNBELIEVABLE!! People have the balls to say that it wasn't the bears fault for the attack, I think those people need to get checked out themselves, by a head doctor. Just because a person is in the bears home, which might I say we are all in a one way shape or form in a predators, animals "backyard". Before all the great cities of the world were erected, there was open land. I think that the PETA people should go and get a reality check, and maybe get their asses bitten by a bear, or a wolf, or a coyote, then we will see how much they love animals. As for the person writing about a person being in my home, guess what of course I would get upset, my house is a little more confined and defined in regards to what is mine, so of course I would get mad, your in the woods, passing time with your dad, enjoying a great pass-time and you get hurt, too bad they didn't have a gun, maybe he wouldn't have been hurt as much. "

Bob wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:02 AM:

" Now all the Bambi lovers are comming out of the woodwork. Pepper spray my $%^&#$. If you ever faced a p#$#% off bear your pepper spray would make a good seasoning for your hide when he eats you. A good Thunder Head on the end of a 2213 works much better !!! "

HAVEAHEART wrote on Oct 9, 2008 10:00 AM:

" Hmmmm..It never ceases to amaze me how all of you uneducated people think that us animal lovers are all membrs of PETA. If you were as intelligent as you all claim to be than you would know that there are MANY other animal protection groups that are not PETA. How shallow you all are. Oh..and what a coincidence..I also happen to be from NY AND I just recently moved here to CALIFORNIA. Now, while I do agree with self defense (protecting you, your family & your pets, I'd just like to point out that the fear & pain this man felt is NO different than the animal being shot with a bow & arrow feels...Did any of you ever think about that? If you did..then how sad it is that you just don't give a crap. I seriously doubt that God condones sport hunting & torturing his precious creatures! "

Mary C. wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:31 AM:

" Too much focus on whether to play dead or not. And I think we would all agree we would react the same if our child was being mauled by a bear.

The lower 48 grizzly bears have a very limited amount of land to live on and when you choose to go there for the sheer joy of killing animals, you expose yourself to that danger. Your choice. (There is meat at the grocery store) All this yahooing and rejoicing over the dead bear is disturbing. Carry the pepper spray and don't put yourself in their home if you don't want to chance an attack. They are reacting the same as you would if a person broke into your home. Even though I live in Indianapolis, I own property in that area. Have hiked the trails in bear country many a time (shooting pictures) for the past 15 years. The Yellowstone/Teton area is a national treasure because of it's awesome scenery and diverse animal life. Now, let's talk God-given rights. I.E. HEALTHCARE. Lot's of people would go bankrupt if hospitalized for a bear mauling. "

Sandy Bob wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:09 AM:

" Donna wrote on Oct. 9, "glad the father saved his son, but asking God's help to guide his arrows to kill anything . . . now that's wrong. There are far more important reasons to ask for help, but guiding an arrow is not one of those things..." I personally believe that the father praying God would guide the arrow is a very important factor of the story and Donna is mistaken in her assesment. Donna do you remember the story in the Bible in I Kings:22 where it had been prophiside that Ahab, King of Isreal would be killed in a battle because he had been an evil man. Eventhough Ahab had worn a soldiers uniform to disguise that he was the King and protect himself from the prophesy coming true, it says that a bowman shot an arrow at will. In other words, at no special target. The arrow not only found Ahab but went between chinks of his armour and he was dead by nightfall. Who guided that arrow to kill a man? What if the father had not prayed for God to guide the arrow? Would his son be dead today? "

Art Ritch wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:01 AM:

" On a trip to Alaska I took the hotel van to the 110 mile end of the trail in Denali Park. The people that donated the land for the Park still live their and the resident lady caught the bus to go shopping. On our return we came across a mother Griz with cubs. The driver stopped for me to take photos. As I exited the van the resident lady screamed for me to get back in the van. She informed me that a Griz can run the first 180 feet in 3 seconds and asked if I could get back in the van in less time. I gratefully acknowledged that I might be a couple seconds shy but noted the bear would have the disadvantage of experiencing very slippery footing. "

Libby in Virginia wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:56 AM:

" What a great end to what could have been a tragic story. My husband and family (even daughter, eventually) hunt in Montana and Colorado for elk and I often fear this happening. These people that choose to place an animal's life above a human life should go back to Genesis in the Bible and read where God gave dominion over all creatures to Adam and Eve. And we don't just hunt for sport, we actually eat the elk, deer and bear meat. Yum Yum. "

mike wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:48 AM:

" I am no longer a hunter but support the idea that we should all have the right to own weapons and hunt if we choose. These two men are examples of what fathers and sons should be doing together and thank god a fathers steady hand and quick thinking saved his son. As for the bear, it's an anmimal that won't have the chance to attack another human, and thats a good thing. Pepper spray, you have got to be kidding. "

PJ wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:17 AM:

" I found this article so interesting to read. There will always be the non-conformist. I applaud the fathers actions. Your child is always your child no matter the age! And like most on here..our western views almost always agree on laws, hunting etc. City folk are just that...they have no idea how to really survive this country. I guess I come from good stock! They came accross the country and settled in Oregon in 1862. So when I say I am a native Oregonian..I AM! "

Colorado wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:04 AM:

" Great to say that the bears attack, because there are DOCUMENTED reports to prove it. But to constantly say that taking bears and WOLVES to New York, or other big cities would prove a point for the clueless "tree huggers"...STOP WITH DAMNING THE WOLF! There are NO documentated attacks or kills of humans by wild wolves here in the States. In Canada, it was PROVED that an attack and kill was because workers had been FEEDING wolves and they lost their natural fear. They are not like bears or coyotes in the wild and even coyotes are quicker to grab a child than ANY wolf because coyotes live WITH humans. Check the LA area and there are reports of them in big neighborhoods, just like they are around the cities and ranches here in Colorado! THEY are more of a danger to humans than any wolf. For any PETA member to criticize...show your groups KILL RECORDS to your save records. Many do not know/remember the incident of PETA members KILLING dogs that they had taken from a shelter too full and were caught killing them behind that same shelter! "

pat wrote on Oct 9, 2008 8:03 AM:

" What a great story about faith and courage. Thanks to the dear Lord and the brave dad for saving this young man. Life is good.
Compliments to the writer of the article, who used perfect English grammar, a rarity these days. "

Liz C in N.C. wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:50 AM:

" I just read this amazing story and most of the commnts on AOL. I am not a hunter, never will be, and I love bears and other wildlife. BUT if I were to ever go camping in bear country, you better believe I would have a gun to protect myself. Even I know that a human is no match for a bear in ANY situation. And one more thing, while I don't (and won't ever) hunt, I do understand the value of it and even if I didn't, I would never try to impose my thinking on everyone else. That's kind of small-minded and controlling, isn't it? I think I'll leave free will up to the individual, God does. "

educated westerner wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:50 AM:

" I have spent a great deal of time in the outdoors and have in fact been charged by a sow grizzly with cubs. I can guarentee you nothing is more terrifying. NOTHING! To keep your composure and make a killing shot with a bow to save your sons life? Amazing. Playing dead? Stupidity! Running is probably not the best thing to do but who can condemn someone for doing so? When you have a very large predator charging you in an enraged state, your first reaction is to get teh hell out of there. I know from experience. And I for one feel we need a grizzly and wolf season to keep these animals fearful of humans and control thier populations. As it is now, there are generations of large predators on our western landscape that don't fear humans and that is not good. Most good wildersness savy westerners would agree. "

donna wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:44 AM:

" glad the father saved his son, but asking God's help to guide his arrows to kill anything . . . now that's wrong. There are far more important reasons to ask for help, but guiding an arrow is not one of those things, especially if there is no other reason to kill than for sports. "

J.C. wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:28 AM:

" First of all, I am happy that both
men are alive and safe.It is a sad
situation that wildlife has to be
killed because of humans. I can understand killing of certain animals
for food, but when it is done for sport, I am totally against it. Also,
we are raised knowing there are wildlife
in the woods, so stay away from their
territory. Get mad if you like, but I
am for the animals. "

JoAnn wrote on Oct 9, 2008 7:09 AM:

" The son stated that not many people would have stood up to a bear like his father did. This story is a true testament of a father's love. I think any father would have done the same thing for their child.
They should not have been hunting for sport with the expectation of killing any animal and maybe this would not have happened at all. I don't care what a hunter says, God does not want people killing his creatures for sport. "

Vela wrote on Oct 9, 2008 6:22 AM:

" Thank God you survived...God bless your family "

YOOPER BILL wrote on Oct 9, 2008 4:45 AM:

" great story about survival,playing dead in a bear attack,any species of bear,will only work if the bear isnt hunting prey to eat,if it sees you as prey you are in deep doo doo,on the other hand if you get too close to a females cubs then she is only protecting them and not viewing you as a food source so playing dead will work if it makes the threat to her cubs go away in the mothers eyes. "

Jeff Snell wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Having spent a lot of time in bear country (grew up in Powell) this reminds me of the story of how to be safe in bear country . . . carry pepper spray and tie little bells to your shoes. Also being able to identify bear scat. Black bear scat has berries, seeds and small rodent bones. Grizzly bear scat has little bells in it and smells like pepper spray. "

Straight Thinker wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:06 AM:

" Born and raised in WYO, but living in South West the last 12 plus years I am still amazed at people's stupidity. A predator that chooses to attack has one goal and that is to kill it's prey. Play dead? I don't think so. There is a reason why you are now allowed to carry a gun for PROTECTION. Thank god for Leming Sr. and his clear head in a major crisis situation. "

wyo cowgirl wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:02 PM:

" Hey! This is a perfect story to show PETA! See what they have to say to this, if they say anything at all. Mr. Leming had the perfect reaction! And by the way justthinkaboutit, maybe the next time your sun is getting attacked by a bear, tell him to play dead maybe he'll get tossed around like volleyball and get bored then try the same thing to you! Yeah right! "

mike wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:40 PM:

" me and my cousin killed a 350 pound black bear with 2 spears "

mountainman wrote on Oct 5, 2008 6:34 AM:

" Well I live and work in griz country and I find it amusing how PETA tells all the tourist coming up here to hike and camp to wear bells and carry pepper spray. How is that amusing you say, well the way we tell the difference between black bear poop and griz poop is the griz poop has bells in it and stinks of pepper spray. "

MK wrote on Oct 1, 2008 3:41 PM:

" Dear justthinkaboutit:

For you to call everyone out west uneducated is very ignorant on your part. I have lived out west my whole life and have an MBA degree. Uneducated is not a word I use to describe myself. I think that these people definitley made the right decision. You should do what you have to do to save your own life or that of your posterity. I am glad everyone is okay. I surely hope you can be more rational in your next comment and realize that sometimes your comments are incorrect and you are ignorant. "

JUVENTUS wrote on Oct 1, 2008 7:51 AM:

" Play dead? Not in a million years. PETA can shove it with their 'play dead' and pepper spray. I'm going to shoot, reload and shoot again. Glad to hear those two are ok. "

Howard wrote on Sep 30, 2008 3:40 PM:

" It seems even in the Peoples Republik of New York City they are having trouble with the furry friends. In the subburbs Coyotees are eating the PETA members little dogs and cats. A few years ago a little cousin of Yogi Bear (a black bear) killed a baby in a stroller about an hour from the city. And to think they normally only steal picnic baskets. We were in Yellowstone a year ago. It was late Sept., elk rutting season. The rangers had signs out warning the visitors in sport clothes to stay away from the elk. A few idiots walked to within ten feet of Mr. Elk before a ranger started to scream at them. The only time I get close (100 yds) to an elk is when I am holding a model 70 in .30-06. For Mr. Brown Bear I like something a little larger. "

Steve wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:54 AM:

" What a true testament of a father's love for his son! It's that kind of bond that this great country was built on!

To me, it's evident that "justthinkaboutit" has no son to relate to or has no heart for others. Glad my dad took me huntin' and I guarantee the bear would have been dead given the same situation!

Come to Texas and we'll let you play dead in a rattlesnake den for awhile. Way to go WY! "

Tammy Bellek wrote on Sep 30, 2008 10:07 AM:

" My family and I have known the Lemmings for a very long time. I went to school with Ron and his dad was a good friend of my dad. These two are true hunters! Thank god that Ron Sr. was able to save his son's life. Thinking of you both in Oregon.
Tammy "

ap wrote on Sep 29, 2008 9:03 PM:

" 9/22/08; 0630am Red Creek warning! I had a large grizzly bear walk between 5 horses highlined within 20 feet of my tent all the while my dog went bolistic! I grabbed my gun, opened the wall tent door and the bear was within 10 feet from the door. This bear had no regard to the horses, myself or my dog who was standing between me and the bear. I am positive that the bear would have made his way into my tent if not for my dog who stayed between the bear and me. This bear eventually walked away but I knew he would be back so we packed out. As I was riding out, I was advised by forest service personnel that a grizzly recently attacked a tent in the same spot. There were no signs at the trail head or at the campsite advising this had occurred. I have had many experiences with bears and the good ones avoid you like the plague. FYI in 2007, WY passed a law where bow hunters can carry a fire arm. "

CML wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:19 PM:

" That bear should have been destroyed, not relocated, at first signs of trouble. Pepper spray, playing dead - give me a break - easy to say when you are not in the footsteps of those being attacked. How stupid is it that in Wy you can not carry a side arm during archery season in grizzly country. I am glad to hear you are alright, and the bear isn't. "

old grouch wrote on Sep 29, 2008 9:38 AM:

" Running is not recommended for bear encounters. In fact, it is one thing you are not supposed to do. Furthermore, anyone in their right mind carries pepper spray in bear country. That said, I'm glad everyone is OK. "

Brandon wrote on Sep 29, 2008 8:38 AM:

" its a bear who cares a person is more inportant.Part of the (people eat taste animal)the real PETA "

VoniBear wrote on Sep 29, 2008 8:14 AM:

" My husband and I go into the Jackson/Togwotee area for horse pack trips in the summer and hunting trips in the fall. In August 2008, we lost count of grizzly bear tracks on the trail after 20 separate bears - and that was only the 2nd day. Two times, when we broke camp and headed down the trail, we could see where a grizzly bear had traversed back and forth on the trail trying to decide if he should come in while we were asleep.

Studies are also beginning to come out that unless you want to be dead, don't play dead. Many people have survived attacks because they fought the bear.

One little lady saved her husband's life by hitting the grizzly bear with swinging her binoculars by the string and banging the grizzly on the head. He finally had a bad enough headache that he took off. "

GW wrote on Sep 28, 2008 10:07 PM:

" Nice cover up "justtinkaboutit," maybe you should take your little name and do a little thinking of your own. You are right when stating it is good Mr. Leming is okay; I am born, bred, and raised in North Western Wyoming, we have to have grizzly bears in the back of our minds all the time when we get up in the high country. Maybe you can talk the Wyoming Game and Fish into letting you have one of our problem bears for a pet, then you can share an educational post, rather than critize these hunters. You should be ashamed of yourself, posting these radical, one sided feelings of emotions towards conservationalist. I would like to know where you live, my guess is it not Cody Wyoming. "

Donna wrote on Sep 28, 2008 8:08 PM:

" FYI-
When this story reached our teachers' lounge, by hunters' word of mouth-no doubt, at ERJH in ID the whole event occurred after you had your elk down! Your neighbors here appreciate the hunt, understand a little of the shocking and stealth reactions. We're thankful you escaped with your lives and think you should have the trophy. "

VoniBear wrote on Sep 28, 2008 6:46 PM:

Sabrina wrote on Sep 28, 2008 3:40 PM:

" I see ample opportunity here for the use of bear spray. This stuff should be mandatory. Could have made the day a whole lot easier to have dealt with. "

Obama Supporter wrote on Sep 27, 2008 2:55 PM:

" Congratulations on your Griz hunt!!

Now get back up in them hills and nail your Elk for the season, that grizzly carcass isn't going to offer much for table fare this winter..... "

don wrote on Sep 26, 2008 8:39 PM:

" "citified tree hugger crap" like you people really live in the wilderness. you gotta be kidding me. at least admit that missoula and all of montana is now a watered down version of wilderness. the lower 48 is just one big formula wrought upon us by much smarter people living in those two cities you despise. all of us now partake in the softness so familiar to your hated californians and new yorkers. Google the story of dick proenneke in alaska. quiet fellow who loved nature. all the rest of us are merely city folk. deal with it. "

JT wrote on Sep 26, 2008 4:52 PM:

" I hope the next time they go out hunting in the backcountry they will bring some bear spray with their other weapons. There were ample opportunities for them to use the spray and their day would have been so much easier in the end. "

264mag wrote on Sep 26, 2008 12:41 PM:

" WoW, what a story, congratulations on staying alive!!! I have never hunted in Wyoming, but it is on my list to do so. I have hunted on Kodiak Island, Alaska and spending 11 nights in a tent with the "Big Furry critters" roaming outside is enough to make for alot of lost sleep. The daytime encounters were numerous with only one close call and at no time did the thought ever cross my mind to play dead. To me, from what I saw, playing dead would have meant being dead. There is no doubt that the right thing was done here. "

Idahoan wrote on Sep 26, 2008 10:52 AM:

" Great Story- Ignore the citified tree hugger crap- Great Story. "

Roy Varga wrote on Sep 26, 2008 8:35 AM:

" Hey wait a minute...weren't there bears, wolves and mountain lions in places like New York, Washington DC, California, and other highly populated places at one time? Just because there are lots of people and concrete there now is now reason to stop the rights of those animals in those places. Lets repopulate these areas with all the animals PETA and others love so they can enjoy them up close! :) "

Glen wrote on Sep 26, 2008 6:16 AM:

" Great shot in a terrifying situation. I am glad to hear you will be OK. I do have a suggeation for those PETA members who are upset about this outcome. A PETA member could be assigned to every hunting group. In an incident like this the PETA member can intervene and talk to the bear. Trying to convince it of the error of its attack. The hunters can then escape while the bear eats his PETA lunch. "

Ron Kline wrote on Sep 26, 2008 5:17 AM:

" As a long time conservationist, Yellowstone Association member, wolf watcher, mountain lion spotter, and frequenter to bear country, I can tell you that I truly do appreciate the grandness of these wild and beautiful creatures; however, they are wild and they are predators, and killing to eat is what they do.

As much as I enjoy observing and photographing wildlife, if it came down to a split second decision about saving my family, my dog, or myself rather than the bear, I'd kill the bear...no question. It's survival of the fittest in the wild...always has been. Besides, the bears love it when a guy play dead: like the shirt in SE Alaska says, "Send more tourists; the last ones were way tasty!" "

Timothy wrote on Sep 26, 2008 2:03 AM:

" .

Uh, how old is is son? He says he is an experienced hunter, but he RAN from a grizzly bear???

. "

justthinkaboutit wrote on Sep 26, 2008 1:56 AM:

" "Smokedmeat" has smoked more than meat...***You have a problem with that don't leave your artificial cities. You couldn't survive anyway. And remember when your trying to pudh us around who has the guns.***??? I don't understand that dribble... ^^^^^ "

Garry- Wyoming Hunter wrote on Sep 25, 2008 7:12 PM:

" Congratulations on your survival, good luck elk hunting. Maybe some of the people that are condeming you for what you have done need to be put in YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK with the grizzley bears and wolves, maybe they will have different views about protecting them. PETA- People eating tasty animals "

sam scribe wrote on Sep 25, 2008 6:30 PM:

" I am from pennsylvania and know both of these gentlemen, yes gentlemen. Both are advid sportsmen and two of the most honest people I Know. For someone to write such negitive comments without knowing these two fine men. shows how far the left will go to mislead.GOD BLESS both you guys and your family. "

Mike Stanton wrote on Sep 25, 2008 12:06 PM:

" Poor bear. I don't believe anything these hunters described. "

Smokedmeat wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:51 AM:

" justthinkaboutit:

"anti-gov't, anti-New York/California, pro-christian, gun toting, uneducated, cowboy talk. "

You have a problem with that don't leave your artificial cities. You couldn't survive anyway. And remember when your trying to pudh us around who has the guns. :)

To the Lemings and their families, We here in the Tennessee hills are very happy you survived to enjoy more of what you love. God Bless "

Raif wrote on Sep 25, 2008 9:26 AM:

" I'm surprised that some individual was so proud of their insular and dogmatic stance that they would write, "If only I could draw a tag for a peta member!" How unfortunate that such childish commentary stains other more reasoned positions. "

Edward Weber wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:45 PM:

" From a non liberal in up state New York. Good Shot! I love all animals. My bird dog best & even the ones I kill & eat. If only I could draw a tag for a peta member! Not all of us back here are soft minded liberals. You good westerners keep doing what you do. Too bad we can't give California & down sate New York to France. "

tallanted wrote on Sep 24, 2008 10:40 PM:

" This is just another incident that PETA and other interest groups are going to use against hunters. We hunters need to collect ourselves and fight these organizations for what is our God given right. I'm glad to hear everyone walked away from this incident. PETA is trying to give more rights to the animals than us humans. If anybody from PETA wants to come down to GA and catch a hog with me to FEED my family let me know. I'm sure you can handle the catch dog. "

Not U wrote on Sep 24, 2008 12:59 PM:

" " Last I checked there wasn't a human season..... "

Its too bad there isn't......(you fill in the blank)

We would be much better off if bears only ate humans lacking common sense. Cours those are the ones packing a spray can and plan on playing dead to save the critter.

Ive always found it easier to eat a steak that was playing dead than one jumping around my plate. (rare of course)

Predators all have a place and im all for them BUT they too need to be controlled properly.

Pray for a speedy recovery Mr Leming.. "

Nate Schweber wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:00 AM:

" Wow. Born-and-raised Montanan here, living in New York City now. Had a few griz encounters myself, though so far lucky enough never to have been charged. Great story and happy to read that the two Leming men are OK. One thing about living in the blighted, predominantly-liberal East is it makes you realize what truly awesome, inspiring, natural beauty lies out west. I for one am glad there are laws protecting Griz and wolves; the land is all the more incredible for them being there. I'm also glad folks protect themselves when the beasts get ornery. Next time a griz misbehaves, please do send 'em to Central Park. I would LOVE to see that! Also thanks to justthinkabout for expressing his opinion, even if it isn't too popular. "

Alisha wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:23 AM:

" Good work dad, nice shot! If you hadn't been there your son might not be here today.... Those PETA people can just keep their stinkin thoughts to themselves! You did what you had to do - don't let anyone tell you different! Glad your son is ok today. "

Don wrote on Sep 23, 2008 8:42 PM:

" unfortunate that some of you small minded folk make such simplistic generalizations about people from different locales. A true measure of evolution is respect for disparate opinions and comfort with agreeing to disagree. And to be perfectly honest, I highly doubt californians spend much time thinking about you all. "

delistthegrizz wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:15 PM:

" thanks be to a mighty God Mr Lemming for giving you a steady hand to save your son!You did the right thing at the right time and you're both alive today to tell the story. As for PETA and the grizz huggers of today, you need to get a grip on reality. A rogue bear this was and he died accordingly. End of story and well spoken by G&F leaving his carcass to rot where it fell. "

Brad Butler wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:17 AM:

" Well justthinkaboutit... I am a firm believer in PETA. That is, People Enjoying Tasty Animals. As far as your comment of “pro-Christian, gun toting, uneducated, cowboy talk,” all I can say is DARN TOOTIN’ and proud of it! My experience with “elitist university types,” is that most do not have the common sense to pour water out of thier boots. "

Paul wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:38 AM:

" My wife and I and 3 other couples just returned from 10 days in the Napa Valley. I realized something was not right. No small mammals. No squirrels, no raccoons, no rabbits, armadillos, skunks, coyotes...nothing. No road kill. Very few birds. If PETA is really serious they need to check in their own backyard. The wineries are serious about eliminating competition...for their grapes! I don't know if they are using poison or traps. Probably both. "

Topoffoodchain wrote on Sep 22, 2008 3:20 PM:

" There is no Human Season because Humans are at the top of the food chain. Imagine that!

Wildlife has flourished in this country because of licensed hunters. Not in spite of them. Thanks Teddy Roosevelt!

PETA's objective is to have all animals free! No more house pets. No cats, dogs, birds ect. No horses to ride. Yet, PETA has one of the highest kill shelters for an "ethical" organization. Hey....keep sending 'em your money you tree huggers. Clueless. Look it up. "

chris wrote on Sep 22, 2008 2:33 PM:

" justthinkaboutit.... I came from the east....but having lived out west for many years, I have come to see that the people from the east or Kalifornia should not be making our regulations out here in bear/wolf country. Would love to see what would happen if we were to make the decisions that the big citys on each coast were to be filled with a "sampling" of our bears/wolves. Has nothing to do with anti anything...just real life and facts. If you feel you need to live by peta rules, go to the states that have the vast majority of libs...not in our back yard! "

Perry wrote on Sep 22, 2008 12:17 PM:

" Hooray for Mr. Leming, SR ! I've always heard "it's better to have 12 men a judgin' instead of 6 a carryin" . A good .44 Mag pistol is a must when you venture out into bear country. "

muskratt wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:02 AM:

" To Mister Greg Smith. AMEN MY BROTHER, AMEN.
Justthinkaboutit, you might want to sit and talk with a couple of the bear biologists and get the inside scoop on things. Most maulings that occur to archers only happen either do to surprising a bear, or like it was stated in a post a "gun shot is like ringing a dinner bell...", bears have been known to TRACK or TRAIL archers to their stands to see if the archer takes a shot , then claims their kill before the hunter can get there. Then YOU are THREATENING the bears food source. This bear had caused a couple problems before, it was just a matter of time before some one got hurt, and the bears life was ended. "

justthinkaboutit wrote on Sep 22, 2008 9:19 AM:

" Just as I expected: typical anti-PETA, kill every wolf/bear that moves, anti-gov't, anti-New York/California, pro-christian, gun toting, uneducated, cowboy talk. Yawnnnnn......... "

CB wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:46 PM:

" Are you that stupid???? LOL!!!! Play dead!Take some griz and some wolves to Central Park in New York City and turn them lose. See how many of you tree huggers would play dead when they attacked you or one of your loved ones, or one of your gang members. "

Laycee wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:54 PM:

" It's great to hear some REAL Wyoming responses to justthinkaboutit's ridiculous comment. I grew up in Cody and, it's always refreshing to hear that there's still some out there with common sense and first hand knowledge of nature and that there are those who recognize the importance of natural balance. The last thing needed is government and PETA's interference on how to manage wilderness areas they have no knowledge of. Seeing a cute bear on TV certainly doesn't portray the reality that Wyomingites, ranchers, hunters, and outdoorsmen face with these animals thanks to the overpopulation created by their ingenious ideas to save every animal. "

Anonymous wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:33 PM:

" Last I checked there wasn't a human season..... "

Mr44Magnum wrote on Sep 21, 2008 6:37 PM:

" I'm not a chew bone for any bear, and in this type of situation I would have given that bear a full dose of lead poisoning until it was dead. It's time you bear huggers realize PETA is out of their minds. Let PETA feed the bears and offer themselves up for a sacrifice as a tasty meal.

In case your wondering what the differance in bear scat is? The difference between Black bear scat and Grizzly scat is that Black Bear scat is full of twigs, berries, and rodent carcasses. Grizzly scat has little bells along with shredded up PETA T-shirts and smells like pepper spray!

You want to roll up and play dead, be my guest, but not this hunter. "

Rhoda wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:30 AM:

" My Nephew was severly mauled by a griz up above Cook City several years ago, and servived after loosing part of his uper leg muscle and shooting the griz with what was left of his rifle after she had mauled it...It is time for those sitting in thier plush tax payer paid offices in DC to come out here and see FIRST hand what out of control animals are doing to the live stock and we humans. These mountains were made by the Good Lord himself for humans to enjoy, the wild life to life in, but do not think his plan was for us to have to be put in jepordy because the wild life are overpopulated or reintroduced into an area and not managed or controled by the hunting of them. Glad these two men are ok and know that they will be out there again "

Gunslinger wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:32 PM:

" Those that state playing dead is the only way to go apparently were just released from the nut house. Never in a million years will I play dead for any animal if I have a firearm. May not be legal, but to me it's not legal to eat on me either. Shoot till you out of ammo, then draw your hunting knife. The same applies to Wolves. Need regs changed so we can protect ourselves without the BADGE boys locking us up.Carry a handgun large enough to kill the BEAR not a 22. I understand that Bears have gotten smart enough that when they hear a shot, thats the dinner bell ringing. "

Patty wrote on Sep 20, 2008 5:18 PM:

" I can tell you that these two men have always had the greatest respect for wildlife. My Brother-n-Law and Nephew know very well that we are all God's creatures, they just understand where "Humans", especially family, and "Animals" reside on that list. The bears certainly are smart enough to understand the "Playing Dead" game, you'd think that some humans may want to educate themselves too! "

cmiddleton wrote on Sep 20, 2008 5:57 AM:

" glad to hear everyone is OK
a old man in Cody once told me that a tourist ask him how to tell a real charge from a bear from a fake one.
he told them" if he is within a quoter mile and he looks my way THATS a real charge".
you guy did the right thing only i'd have let the horses go to the hospital with me.
i say that same prayer when bowhunting and the arrow flys true. it works "

mama rod wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:26 PM:

" its normal for parents to protect our children, animal or human. thank god he was listening to ron sr prayers. theres no way i would want to play dead with a grizzly. "

Roger wrote on Sep 19, 2008 7:38 PM:

" I'd never play dead as long as I had a weapon at hand. I'm going to Montana on Oct. 24 for l6 days hunting. Rifle season opens on the 26th and I just bought a Uberti 44-40 asaside arm in the even of a BEAR attack. Playing dead is not for me as long as I have ammo and can shoot. Thank God this young man;s father was a skilled bowman and saved his Son's life. Now we need to tell PETA Where to go and the sooner the better. It really took courage to shoot a Griz with a Bow and bve successful. I also feel strongly about Wolves, may not be a season but if I see onethe season will be open for me. Just hope and pray this encounter with teh Griz does not have a DON'T hunt attitude, If they can, I would hunt even more to prove I was up to the task. Good luck to both of them and to you other guys who hunt where Griz's and Wolves may be.In all my 55 years of hunting and about l5 in the Rockies, my major concern of danger are,Wolves&Griz's.Goodhuntinggys, "

Amy Feeley wrote on Sep 19, 2008 1:24 PM:

" So glad to hear that Ron is ok. Too many bears is right! And play dead...you have got to be kidding me! Thank goodness his Father was there and maybe he had a special angel there with him too...someone who has been in Ron's same position...could be? :) "

greg smith wrote on Sep 19, 2008 1:14 PM:

" Dear "justthinkaboutit",
"A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy." Ingrid Newkirk, P.E.T.A.--is this, too, your philosophy? Do you equate the life of a man with that of a bear?
"So God created man in His own image...God blessed them, and God said to them, 'Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it. Rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, and every creature that crawls on the earth.'" For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not die, but have eternal life. Choose life, and not the way of PETA. "

chris wrote on Sep 19, 2008 1:10 PM:

" I think maybe the ones that feel that he should have "played dead" are the same ones that come to this part of the country and believe they know how we should treat the wild life out here. Let them go back east or west and take a bear or two with them. And don't forget to take a wolf or two also. My husband has hunted out here all his life (total of 35 years hunting) and he said that the amount of bears seen while hunting have never been as high as they have been the past few years. I would much rather have my husband do the same as these two brave men did than to "play dead" Sounds as though if he had "played dead" he would have been dead. "

Sonnet wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Wow! Some people. If this story isn't enough to show people that capturing a problem bear and relocating it does not work, I don't know what will! It was a problem bear up the South Fork...sent it to Jackson...yet it came back to the South Fork!!! If a bear knows where food is they are going to go back no matter how far away you relocate them!!! How many people need to get hurt before people start to understand the problems these bears are causing??? Thank the Lord that this man was saved by his incredible father! "

terry everard wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:46 PM:

" I just love it when someone tries to criticize others in a life and death situation. I was in the same position in 92 sheep hunting in Sunlight Basin. After "playing dead" and getting chewed on for 1 minute that required over 250 stitches to sew me back up, I was fortunate to gather up my rifle and shoot my rifle, scaring the grizzly bear away. Back then, pepper spray was just coming out in the market. But I didn't have any. Any time I go in Grizzly country today, it is on my belt. As an avid bowhunter myself today, I would rather use pepper instead of a pistol. But I still believe in the right to kill something that is trying to kill me. Mr. Leming Sr., you can be my wingman on a bow trip anyday. "

trmcclain wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:23 PM:

" Really???
If it had been you, you would have played dead? If it had been your loved one you would have done nothing?
Survival is the first human instint. When did a bears life become more valuable than a humans. We do enough to protect them, nature on both sides cannot be mandated. Prayer worked Mr. Leming and I am happy both of you survided to tell this story. "

stillthinking wrote on Sep 18, 2008 5:33 PM:

" Did you feel that both of them were supposed to play dead? If not was the father supposed to watch until the son was beyond saving if playing dead didn't work? "

caribiner wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:14 PM:

" This story is not legit until comment from the elite California Text Message Group who hangs out at the Dollar is officially placed on this message board "

Meghan wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:33 PM:

" I believe that the right course of action was taken. I am a southfork resident and this spring we had 5 different bears on our property. There is just getting to be too many. If I saw a loved one getting mauled by a grizzly my first instinct would be to get the bear off of them. Versus watching there leg being gnawed off and hearing the screams for help. "

Jake Lucas Dusty Lasseter wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:30 PM:

" It’s absolutely astonishing the severity of peoples stupidity in this day and age. What did our ancestors do in this predicament? “Save the bear”, honestly? I highly doubt it. It is a primal necessity to defend yourself in a life threatening situation. Those of you who are angered at the bears death should go out find a griz and play dead. When this eight hundred pound beast is going for your throat I have a premonition that your views will drastically alter. We have roamed these very same mountains as Mr. Lemming since we were adolescents and have experienced countless grizzly encounters. There is nothing else on this earth more terrifying than when a griz is coming full steam with you in his sights. It’s unfortunate that in the last hundred years people raised in cities don’t have the ability to comprehend the magnitude of the peril these two men were experiencing. Kudos to Mr. Lemming for saving his own flesh and blood, especially with a bow. "

elkman wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:00 PM:

" Anyone or anything that has made the serious decision to kill you, requires an equally serious responce. In my book, playing dead is not one of em. "

Brad Butler wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:06 AM:

" Let’s see… play dead until the bear gets tired of gnawing on your leg. Yep, a perfect candidate for a Darwin Award. "

elkhunter wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:42 AM:

" My only question is where was their pistol. It is now legal to carry a firearm for protection while bowhunting. You better believe I carry mine and no way I'm "playing" dead. "

jeff wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:40 AM:

" are you people stupid? "play dead" "save the bear" "give the bear a leg to gnaw on till he tired of the game and went away" you need to go camping in wyoming. with attitudes like that, you'll end up lunch. at least your dieing act would be to help rid the world of stupidity and hypocrisy. "

z wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:49 AM:

" Are you serious??? Lay there and play dead??? How many of you would lay there and play dead if someone attacked you? That bear was hungry and was going to kill something if it weren't killed. I say Open season on Grizzlys. There are too many of them. "

Dang ole Dave wrote on Sep 18, 2008 6:59 AM:

" I'm pretty sure that neither one of this father son team cares for a do over to see if "playing dead" could have saved the bears life.

What an awesome story, hats off to these 2 brave survivors. "

DIYASUB wrote on Sep 18, 2008 4:31 AM:

" "I can understand the seriousness of this, but in times like this playing dead might have saved the bear."

Perhaps he should have just given the bear a leg to gnaw on till he tired of the game and went away?
Give it a try the next time a bear is trying to kill you, and let us know how it works out! "

bowhunter wrote on Sep 18, 2008 2:55 AM:

" Just proves what we here in Wyoming already know...too many bears! What is more important, human lives or bears? We need better management than simple relocation of problem bears! "

Linda L. wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:35 AM:

" Hi
I think Mr. Leming Sr. should get a really nice Father's Day Present!
Happy to hear that everyone is ok now.
Great shot Mr. Leming Sr.

Linda "

justthinkaboutit wrote on Sep 17, 2008 7:02 PM:

" I can understand the seriousness of this, but in times like this playing dead might have saved the bear. Yelling at it and running away from it is NOT how to react. But it is hard to say how you or I would react in this situation. Very glad to hear that are alright Mr. Leming. "

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